As a Leftist there are a few types of leftists I hate
Fake Leftists: People who think Socialism is when “government does stuff” and they just want the government to do everything
Ignorant Leftists: People who blindly hate capitalism but make no real attempt to look into leftist theory
“Anti-imperalists”: People who support “anti-imperialism” by supporting the other empire. These people will blindly support Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, the Taliban, Assad’s Syria, HTS, and occasionally blatant terrorism.
Aesthetic “Leftists”: People who see leftism as nothing more than an aesthetic which they can use. They make no real attempt to understand leftism but rather then simply being ignorent they actively attempt to subvert the term. These people will say “leftism just means left of center” and use that to justify Capitalism, western imperialism, and other very non leftist ideals under the justification that “leftism has no hard definition” (it does).
Absolutely infuriating. These are people who spend a lot of time on discord, closely nurturing a group of diverse people of specific ethnic or gender/sexual identities because it makes them feel very progressive but makes no effort to see their “friends” as humans and won’t hold them accountable when any of them become abusive or hassle other friends in the group. These are the college-kids who will commit all their energy to fighting a school-mascot which bothers nobody, while literal nazis march on another part of the campus. These are the ones who create campaigns to “take down” another popular leftist for saying something like the word “retarded” while actual threats to humanity rise in power. And generally just find it a lot easier to attack people ostensibly on their side than the actual challenge of fighting for actual community organization efforts against a rising tide of fascism and hate.
For these kids being progressive or leftist is entirely about preserving an in-club of specific people who can hate outsiders, but they feel they have a broader societal blessing for the exclusionary and wildly performative attitudes.
for saying something like the word “retarded” while actual threats to humanity rise in power
That one is such a sad phenomenon. I recently saw it in a community I’m in: “Crazy”. If the word was once derogatory towards a group of people, I’d say it has long since lost its teeth, while the stigma it used to express continues to exist independently of individual words. Words have power, but fighting words is useless if the power goes unchecked and self-destructive if other, worse powers grow while you’re distracted.
That’s not to say you shouldn’t be mindful with your language, but maybe focus on the bigger issue first. I’m personally not a fan of people casually calling things autistic that aren’t, because I’m autistic and my need for clear, unambiguous language compels me to have certain specific terms keep their specific meaning. If you misuse it, I might bring it up (as a personal opinion type thing, I’m just as prone to error or misunderstandings as anyone else), but I wouldn’t attempt to “take you down” or anything over it while we’re both fighting people that do worse than just misuse language.
fighting words is useless if the power goes unchecked
I’m going to steal this.
In the meantime, I make deliberate efforts to NOT censor or filter my language if I’m not clearly attacking someone and someone takes issue with my use of… sigh… “crazy” then I know right away that person is NOT an alley to a greater cause, so if anything it does tend to save me some time. I rather let the sheltered kids argue it out with each other if the term “mad” is a problem or if doors should have five doorknobs at different levels to serve people of different heights. (I just made this one up on the spot, but fully expect to see it as the next major culture war flashpoint.)
The right has an advantage in that they don’t even think in language as much. This all exists on a spectrum of course, and strengths can become weaknesses in other areas, but it’s very hard to teach people that kind of nuance. But the lack of language-based thinking leads to more cohesive in-groups who don’t pick apart each other’s beliefs. They’re able to connect with each other far easier as emotional monkeys, but this also leads to the reinforcement of primitive emotions like fear of strangers and people who look or talk different.
As someone recently diagnosed as autistic also, I have become fond of giving people “the pass” if they take issue with my ableist language. It’s good for a laugh.
Jokes apart, language is an important tool to express thoughs and persuade people what is better or worse. And when so many concepts get conflated in a single word “leftist”/“leftism” /“socialism”/“communism” , it diminishes the focus of conversations around it. It confuses and distracts from the ideas worth discussing.
this is a way to confuse, divide and defeat the healthy expression of ideas, debate, and by consequence, the capability of people to organize around the ideas that resonate with then.
Tell me you don’t understand imperialism without telling me you don’t understand imperialism (especially funny coming from someone criticising people who don’t read theory). Cuba is possibly the most peaceful nation on Earth, with the core of its international policy usually being sending doctors to countries in need. Please tell me a single imperialist act by Cuba or Venezuela.
Critical support to flawed countries is a sad consequence of Realpolitik. Do you support England and the USSR joining forces against Nazism in World War 2? Because they’re otherwise geopolitical enemies that only joined the effort because there was a greater evil.
If [socialist country] is so [good characteristic], how come [wikipedia article predominantly edited by people from the west, citing sources from the west].
Also funny that even the article starts claiming that it’s a list of “military and medical support”, and most of the involvements you’re seeing are support of emancipatory movements against imperialist aggression.
As a Leftist there are a few types of leftists I hate
Absolutely infuriating. These are people who spend a lot of time on discord, closely nurturing a group of diverse people of specific ethnic or gender/sexual identities because it makes them feel very progressive but makes no effort to see their “friends” as humans and won’t hold them accountable when any of them become abusive or hassle other friends in the group. These are the college-kids who will commit all their energy to fighting a school-mascot which bothers nobody, while literal nazis march on another part of the campus. These are the ones who create campaigns to “take down” another popular leftist for saying something like the word “retarded” while actual threats to humanity rise in power. And generally just find it a lot easier to attack people ostensibly on their side than the actual challenge of fighting for actual community organization efforts against a rising tide of fascism and hate.
For these kids being progressive or leftist is entirely about preserving an in-club of specific people who can hate outsiders, but they feel they have a broader societal blessing for the exclusionary and wildly performative attitudes.
That one is such a sad phenomenon. I recently saw it in a community I’m in: “Crazy”. If the word was once derogatory towards a group of people, I’d say it has long since lost its teeth, while the stigma it used to express continues to exist independently of individual words. Words have power, but fighting words is useless if the power goes unchecked and self-destructive if other, worse powers grow while you’re distracted.
That’s not to say you shouldn’t be mindful with your language, but maybe focus on the bigger issue first. I’m personally not a fan of people casually calling things autistic that aren’t, because I’m autistic and my need for clear, unambiguous language compels me to have certain specific terms keep their specific meaning. If you misuse it, I might bring it up (as a personal opinion type thing, I’m just as prone to error or misunderstandings as anyone else), but I wouldn’t attempt to “take you down” or anything over it while we’re both fighting people that do worse than just misuse language.
I’m going to steal this.
In the meantime, I make deliberate efforts to NOT censor or filter my language if I’m not clearly attacking someone and someone takes issue with my use of… sigh… “crazy” then I know right away that person is NOT an alley to a greater cause, so if anything it does tend to save me some time. I rather let the sheltered kids argue it out with each other if the term “mad” is a problem or if doors should have five doorknobs at different levels to serve people of different heights. (I just made this one up on the spot, but fully expect to see it as the next major culture war flashpoint.)
The right has an advantage in that they don’t even think in language as much. This all exists on a spectrum of course, and strengths can become weaknesses in other areas, but it’s very hard to teach people that kind of nuance. But the lack of language-based thinking leads to more cohesive in-groups who don’t pick apart each other’s beliefs. They’re able to connect with each other far easier as emotional monkeys, but this also leads to the reinforcement of primitive emotions like fear of strangers and people who look or talk different.
As someone recently diagnosed as autistic also, I have become fond of giving people “the pass” if they take issue with my ableist language. It’s good for a laugh.
the worst by any margin are the leftist gatekeepers ! I hate those guys, they’re not real leftists
Damn leftists, they ruined leftism
Jokes apart, language is an important tool to express thoughs and persuade people what is better or worse. And when so many concepts get conflated in a single word “leftist”/“leftism” /“socialism”/“communism” , it diminishes the focus of conversations around it. It confuses and distracts from the ideas worth discussing.
this is a way to confuse, divide and defeat the healthy expression of ideas, debate, and by consequence, the capability of people to organize around the ideas that resonate with then.
Tell me you don’t understand imperialism without telling me you don’t understand imperialism (especially funny coming from someone criticising people who don’t read theory). Cuba is possibly the most peaceful nation on Earth, with the core of its international policy usually being sending doctors to countries in need. Please tell me a single imperialist act by Cuba or Venezuela.
Critical support to flawed countries is a sad consequence of Realpolitik. Do you support England and the USSR joining forces against Nazism in World War 2? Because they’re otherwise geopolitical enemies that only joined the effort because there was a greater evil.
Yup, they’re so incredibly peaceful that they have an entire Wikipedia article deticated to their foreign military interventions
If [socialist country] is so [good characteristic], how come [wikipedia article predominantly edited by people from the west, citing sources from the west].
Also funny that even the article starts claiming that it’s a list of “military and medical support”, and most of the involvements you’re seeing are support of emancipatory movements against imperialist aggression.