Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials that say its forces are advancing too slowly.
Everyone I know that supports Ukraine does so because they feel for the victims of the missiles launched by Russia at schools and homes.
What does that support look like?
I, and many others in this thread, are very out of the loop.
Again, I have a hard time believing this is true. This is a war. People die by the hundreds of thousands, and eventually millions, in wars. Providing uncritical support (as most liberals and “Slava Ukraine” types do) for any side in a war is still encouraging more deaths on all sides of the conflict. It is not a Marvel movie or gritty political sci-fi thriller that so many people seem to think it is.
The longer the war goes on, the more people will die or be displaced, and the more money from working class people will get funneled into the military industrial complex. Nobody outside of the MIC is benefitting from the death and despair of this war.
Most discussions about the conflict outside of leftist spaces is just liberals and conservatives fantasizing about Russia getting weaker (i.e., its people dying) and America/NATO/“freedom” getting stronger. The rare person will acknowledge that Ukrainian men must die for the latter to be true, but the reality of those deaths is often minimized or even celebrated. As well, anyone who dissents is typically accused of being pro-Russia, a bot, or a paid shill.
Or click on any new thread and see all the highly rated comments like this, lusting for further destruction
It took like two minutes to find these examples, and there’s countless more on lemmy, reddit, and the like. It’s almost undoubtably worse on Twitter or Facebook too
The support looks like donating supplies to aid the victims of the bombings.
Yes, people are dying and I don’t doubt that there are internet idiots enjoying “carnage”, but I’m still not hearing what else you think people should be doing. Are you suggesting that Ukraine should surrender? Are you saying Russia should stop? Maybe that everyone should stop supporting the Ukrainian government until they sort this out between themselves? What are you talking about? You’ve found examples of unreasonable people with unreasonable stances, but please provide useful information to those of us that touch grass.
What does that support look like?
Again, I have a hard time believing this is true. This is a war. People die by the hundreds of thousands, and eventually millions, in wars. Providing uncritical support (as most liberals and “Slava Ukraine” types do) for any side in a war is still encouraging more deaths on all sides of the conflict. It is not a Marvel movie or gritty political sci-fi thriller that so many people seem to think it is.
The longer the war goes on, the more people will die or be displaced, and the more money from working class people will get funneled into the military industrial complex. Nobody outside of the MIC is benefitting from the death and despair of this war.
Most discussions about the conflict outside of leftist spaces is just liberals and conservatives fantasizing about Russia getting weaker (i.e., its people dying) and America/NATO/“freedom” getting stronger. The rare person will acknowledge that Ukrainian men must die for the latter to be true, but the reality of those deaths is often minimized or even celebrated. As well, anyone who dissents is typically accused of being pro-Russia, a bot, or a paid shill.
See this freak
This is a top comment on the top post of /r/UkrainianConflict fantasizing about making a Marvel movie montage of a war crime, and other users lapping it up
Or click on any new thread and see all the highly rated comments like this, lusting for further destruction
It took like two minutes to find these examples, and there’s countless more on lemmy, reddit, and the like. It’s almost undoubtably worse on Twitter or Facebook too
The support looks like donating supplies to aid the victims of the bombings.
Yes, people are dying and I don’t doubt that there are internet idiots enjoying “carnage”, but I’m still not hearing what else you think people should be doing. Are you suggesting that Ukraine should surrender? Are you saying Russia should stop? Maybe that everyone should stop supporting the Ukrainian government until they sort this out between themselves? What are you talking about? You’ve found examples of unreasonable people with unreasonable stances, but please provide useful information to those of us that touch grass.