• rah@feddit.uk
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    4 months ago

    it’s the core of what you meant

    “ideal societies that won’t take place”

    That’s not what I meant though. You can’t even listen when someone tells you you’re not listening.

    being as democratic as possible

    LOL so no solution in fact, just hope that things might turn out better. Selling a better future. Like a religion. It all makes sense now. Best of luck.

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      !LOL so no solution in fact

      Not if you choose to ignore everything else I said after that. But that’s just you wanting to argue in bad faith

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        4 months ago

        Nothing you said after that prevents corruption. You haven’t offered a solution, you’ve just offered a hope.

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          That’s just, like, your opinion, dude. Anarcho-syndicalism doesn’t logically eliminate corruption either, no system does

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            no system does

            Exactly. Socialism brings no solution to the table. To think, all this time Marx was just faffing about the difference between being stabbed with a six inch knife and a twelve inch knife. What a palaver.

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              Marx’s point wasn’t the complete elimination of corruption, but the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class. This has historically happened in several countries and can (and will) happen again.

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                the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class

                But not the elimination of exploitation. In which case: meh.

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                  But not the elimination of exploitation

                  There’s no surplus labour extraction, hence no exploitation

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                    LOL you’re deluded. What does it mean for there to be corruption without exploitation? Corruption is a form of exploitation.