You shouldn’t be, even if you choose to define Neapolitan Pizza as the first “real” pizza, it and other styles - such as the pan baked Sicilian - were widespread across central and southern Italy well before the 20th century.
All Pizza is bread with toppings. If it’s not a pizza because it uses the wrong type of bread, so is every single american version of pizza, none of which use a neapolitan dough.
You’re trying too hard to be contrarian now - I said “all pizza is bread with toppings”, not “all bread with toppings is pizza”. Open faced turkey sandwiches are assembled after the constituent parts have been cooked, rather than the bread and toppings being cooked together.
You’re not going to terrorise any italians by claiming pizza isn’t italian, they’re just going to think you’re a stupid american, and possibly a redditor when you try to “well acshully” them. If you want to terrorise italians you need to suggest heavily preprocessed foods as pizza toppings, ask how they make their spaghetti bolognese, or yell the names of pasta dishes at them when they’re speaking in Italian.
your not going to convince any italians that “sicilian pizza” is pizza either anymore than your silly criteria that defines most focaccia as “pizza” theyll laugh you out of the pizzaria with their silly hand gestures
also “all pizza is bread with toppings” and “all bread with toppings is pizza” is the same construction because it supposes “bread+toppings=pizza” and it doesnt matter if you restructure it as “pizza=bread+toppings” its the same equation einstein
finally i said ill be insufferable about this and you thought this was a motherfucking game?
your not going to convince any italians that “sicilian pizza” is pizza
I mean I first encountered it being sold by sicilians (a type of Italian) as pizza, and then later had it over in Italy courtesy of a Bolognan (another type of Italian) friend, so I feel pretty confident saying you’re only right because they’re already convinced it’s pizza.
also “all pizza is bread with toppings” and “all bread with toppings is pizza” is the same construction because it supposes “bread+toppings=pizza” and it doesnt matter if you restructure it as “pizza=bread+toppings” its the same equation einstein
Oh come on, you understood how this works three comments ago. It’s the entire premise of the article, that neopolitan is a subset of Italian. You know, all squares are rectangles but all rectangles aren’t squares. This is what I mean by trying too hard, you’re not being insufferable over technicalities, you’re just being contrarian and making yourself look ignorant as a result.
finally i said ill be insufferable about this and you thought this was a motherfucking game?
Of course I think it’s a game, why do you think I’m explaining how to get good?
yes the only reason your italian friends think this is because it was called pizza in america and sent back to italy and therefore is not italian checkmate
and you never address how youve now defined most focaccia as pizza, which you have, and no italian would say focaccia is pizza. additionally the bread can be pre-cooked and still be pizza they sell pre-cooked pizza bread in the store all the time people just put toppings on it and bam, its pizza. a baked flatbread with sauce and cheese on it is pizza precooked or not it doesnt matter your definition is a open faced turkey sandwich counts if you dont like that then reevaluate your definition, bubs
lastly as someone else pointed out the pizza itself goes back much further than italy it goes back all the way to persia which still makes it not italian
im going to be insufferable with this information thank you
You shouldn’t be, even if you choose to define Neapolitan Pizza as the first “real” pizza, it and other styles - such as the pan baked Sicilian - were widespread across central and southern Italy well before the 20th century.
sicilian “pizza” is sfincione - a topped focaccia
so yeah, i can still be insufferable
All Pizza is bread with toppings. If it’s not a pizza because it uses the wrong type of bread, so is every single american version of pizza, none of which use a neapolitan dough.
an open face turkey sandwich is not pizza but if that is what you are arguing id love to terrorize italians with this, too
You’re trying too hard to be contrarian now - I said “all pizza is bread with toppings”, not “all bread with toppings is pizza”. Open faced turkey sandwiches are assembled after the constituent parts have been cooked, rather than the bread and toppings being cooked together.
You’re not going to terrorise any italians by claiming pizza isn’t italian, they’re just going to think you’re a stupid american, and possibly a redditor when you try to “well acshully” them. If you want to terrorise italians you need to suggest heavily preprocessed foods as pizza toppings, ask how they make their spaghetti bolognese, or yell the names of pasta dishes at them when they’re speaking in Italian.
your not going to convince any italians that “sicilian pizza” is pizza either anymore than your silly criteria that defines most focaccia as “pizza” theyll laugh you out of the pizzaria with their silly hand gestures
also “all pizza is bread with toppings” and “all bread with toppings is pizza” is the same construction because it supposes “bread+toppings=pizza” and it doesnt matter if you restructure it as “pizza=bread+toppings” its the same equation einstein
finally i said ill be insufferable about this and you thought this was a motherfucking game?
I mean I first encountered it being sold by sicilians (a type of Italian) as pizza, and then later had it over in Italy courtesy of a Bolognan (another type of Italian) friend, so I feel pretty confident saying you’re only right because they’re already convinced it’s pizza.
Oh come on, you understood how this works three comments ago. It’s the entire premise of the article, that neopolitan is a subset of Italian. You know, all squares are rectangles but all rectangles aren’t squares. This is what I mean by trying too hard, you’re not being insufferable over technicalities, you’re just being contrarian and making yourself look ignorant as a result.
Of course I think it’s a game, why do you think I’m explaining how to get good?
yes the only reason your italian friends think this is because it was called pizza in america and sent back to italy and therefore is not italian checkmate
and you never address how youve now defined most focaccia as pizza, which you have, and no italian would say focaccia is pizza. additionally the bread can be pre-cooked and still be pizza they sell pre-cooked pizza bread in the store all the time people just put toppings on it and bam, its pizza. a baked flatbread with sauce and cheese on it is pizza precooked or not it doesnt matter your definition is a open faced turkey sandwich counts if you dont like that then reevaluate your definition, bubs
lastly as someone else pointed out the pizza itself goes back much further than italy it goes back all the way to persia which still makes it not italian