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    4 months ago

    Shouldn’t have invested in Russia. It was a bad business decision and you have to live with the consequences. The article is written as if the West is to blame for the sanctions. The facts are very clear: Russia invaded.

    The writing was on the wall for years. Ukraine warned the EU, the Baltics had been concerned for years, and these companies idiotically increased their investments in Russia. At the latest once the war started it should’ve been clear that exiting Russia was going to be necessary, if not forced.

    Want to blame somebody? Blame Russia.

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        Just randomly. Ignore anything from 2014 to 2022. Putin woke up one day and decided invading Ukraine would be rad. Events always happen disconnected from each other, don’t you know? While you’re at it, also ignore anything from 1990 to 2014. Nothing to see here, move on.

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        What part of his comment makes you think he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about?

        He’s very clearly stating to the companies. Don’t blame the West for sanctioning Russia, blame Russia for engadging in activities that warrants sanctioning, and blame yourself for increasing your investments when the writing was on the wall since at least 2014

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          Literally the first sentence. Thinking that companies would avoid investing in the Russian market shows profound lack of understanding of how capitalism works. The whole system prioritizes short term gains over long term planning.

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            That’s an opinion you have. Not a factual ideology of what makes capitalism, capitalism.

            You can certainly think that’s how some businesses operate, and I’m sure plenty do take short term risks. But to call that a cornerstone of capitalism is at best uninformed.

            He didn’t say he was thinking they would or wouldn’t. He said he doesn’t think they should. Those are two different words that mean two different things.

            When I say, Russia shouldn’t push their polotical opposition out of windows. I’m not saying I don’t think they would. I’m saying I don’t think they should.

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              This is the reality we observe, and entire books have been written explaining how selection pressures of the capitalist system end up prioritizing short term thinking. Again, both of your arguments stem from fundamental lack of understanding of how the system you live under operates.

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                I live under a fully functional social democratic welfare state. But it’s adorable that you think you can assume whatever suits your agenda.

                Books have been written about how the earth is actually flat instead of a spherical. That doesn’t mean the content is correct.

                Truth is, writing headlines about companies that every 5 years put together a solid and safe 20 year plan in accordance to previous estimates and slowly pulling out investments and assets from places where the risk of geopolitical conflict is higher than the norm, just simply doesn’t generate a lot of clicks.

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                  I live under a fully functional social democratic welfare state. But it’s adorable that you think you can assume whatever suits your agenda.

                  It’s adorable you think capitalist states are democratic.

                  Books have been written about how the earth is actually flat instead of a spherical. That doesn’t mean the content is correct.

                  The mechanics here aren’t very difficult to understand. The flat earth analogy is very apt to your denialism of the basic principles of financial capitalism though.

                  Truth is, writing headlines about companies that every 5 years put together a solid and safe 20 year plan in accordance to previous estimates and slowly pulling out investments and assets from places where the risk of geopolitical conflict is higher than the norm, just simply doesn’t generate a lot of clicks.

                  Truth is that the global capitalist system has crashes roughly once a decade like clockwork. Absolutely hilarious that you think that constitutes a solid and safe plan. 😂

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                    You have a fantastic ability to not actually answer anything while at the same time just keep throwing pasta at the wall and see what sticks.

                    It doesn’t matter what anyone responds with because you will simply say “nuh uh” and move on to the next.

                    If you want to actually adress anything. Feel free to do so and we can continue to have a conversation.

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          blame Russia for engadging in activities that warrants sanctioning

          But why though? Russia had just observed 20 years of invasion of Afghanistan by the USA, with absolutely no divestment and no sanction as a result. So the logical conclusion should be that invasion doesn’t warrant sanctioning. Why would Russia be a special case? If everyone can invade everyone, it would make sense that Russia understands that it also applies to them.