AKS is not just about pedigree dogs. Having personal involvement with the AKC rescue network, I don’t really care what the BBC might have said about them when the topic is PETA. AKC is ethically better positioned than PETA wrt rescue animals, full stop.
Also, I don’t see why I should. You listed 100 good things PETA did. I can probably pick my worst enemy and find a list of good things they did.
The AKC isn’t the bastion of good you’re making it out to be. They quite literally haven’t got the dogs interest at the forefront of their minds, but the amount of campaigns and disinformation throughout the years has made people like yourself blindly support them because Idk, dogs are cute and everyone should have one?
No. I don’t think dogs are for our enjoyment, and as long as ACK sees them as objects for us, I can’t take you seriously in saying they care about the welfare and rights of dogs.
You’re either being massively disingenuous (which makes sense with the fact you didn’t read the info I posted), you genuinely believe that kennel clubs are ethical, or you’re the PR account for AKC lol.
Dogs are objects in our society. They are bred and bought, and those that aren’t wanted are thrown away. That is wrong.
I’m a huge animal lover, and have spent most of my life around literal nature worshippers. And I can’t think of one who could pull that “Dogs are objects in our society” PETA rhetoric with a straight face.
What does this mean? If you can’t challenge what I put, and resort to ad hominim, this is just textbook anti peta parroting whatever supports your narrative…
I’m a huge animal lover
Oh awesome me too! How long have you been vegan? :)
Yeah I’ll be honest, i thought exactly the same as you about PETA before going vegan. But if you’re vegan, you’re intent on reducing the suffering of animals right? So it’s not too much of a leap to imagine a world where the people with the most money and the most to lose have orchestrated an incredibly effective smear campaign.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you’re here in good faith. As a fellow vegan, you must understand the commodification of sentient beings is absolutely unnecessary in 2023
Oh awesome me too! How long have you been vegan? :)
Never. I eat the deer that has to die due to overpopulation. Flip-side, I’d say anyone who lets that meat rot is the one that isn’t an animal lover (and that includes vegans).
This whole “you can’t be an animal lover if you’re not a vegan” tripe is bullshit. But worse than being bullshit, you automatically lose whoever you were talking to from ever taking your side seriously even if you actually have good points.
Yeah I’ll be honest, i thought exactly the same as you about PETA before going vegan. But if you’re vegan, you’re intent on reducing the suffering of animals right?
I am not an anti-natalist. I am not willing to euthanize animals for some great aggregate goal. As an animal lover, both of those end goals of PETA disgust me. And I’m far from alone. The **only ** way to reduce animal suffering is to wipe them all out and re-engineer their natural habitats. I oppose that. I’m ok with a world where animals (including humans) suffer, but that we work to better things. We had a decent balance once, then it went to shit. I’m not about making it go MORE to shit.
So it’s not too much of a leap to imagine a world where the people with the most money and the most to lose have orchestrated an incredibly effective smear campaign.
You seem to be ignoring, or forgetting, my points. Every complaint I have presented is a first-party complaint against PETA by people who are not part of a smear campaign. So if you’re asking if I’m willing to believe the small animal shelter run by a good friend of mine is part of an “incredibly effective smear campaign”, I’m going to laugh you out the door.
That kind of nonsense reminds me of the people who used to cry about “the gay agenda”. I’m sorry.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you’re here in good faith
I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt of the same, but your last post has made it difficult. Requiring me to be a vegan to be an animal lover (when I mentioned being around nature-worshippers, it should have been obvious). Implying, perhaps unintentionally, that people I know are part of some giant smear campaign. No.
you must understand the commodification of sentient beings is absolutely unnecessary in 2023
What does anything have to do with mass-euthanasia? Are you actually “merciful depopulation”? That is very different from hunters culling overpopulated areas.
That’s a whole lot of information to read and digest in 2 minutes tbh…
Look in the mirror mate, I don’t believe you read the entirety of what I put, bad faith imo.
Edit, forgot to ask if you had seen the BBC documentary about UK and US kennel clubs? https://documentaryheaven.com/bbc-pedigree-dogs-exposed/
AKS is not just about pedigree dogs. Having personal involvement with the AKC rescue network, I don’t really care what the BBC might have said about them when the topic is PETA. AKC is ethically better positioned than PETA wrt rescue animals, full stop.
Also, I don’t see why I should. You listed 100 good things PETA did. I can probably pick my worst enemy and find a list of good things they did.
The AKC isn’t the bastion of good you’re making it out to be. They quite literally haven’t got the dogs interest at the forefront of their minds, but the amount of campaigns and disinformation throughout the years has made people like yourself blindly support them because Idk, dogs are cute and everyone should have one?
No. I don’t think dogs are for our enjoyment, and as long as ACK sees them as objects for us, I can’t take you seriously in saying they care about the welfare and rights of dogs.
You’re either being massively disingenuous (which makes sense with the fact you didn’t read the info I posted), you genuinely believe that kennel clubs are ethical, or you’re the PR account for AKC lol.
Dogs are objects in our society. They are bred and bought, and those that aren’t wanted are thrown away. That is wrong.
Annnnnd you just went full PETA on me.
I’m a huge animal lover, and have spent most of my life around literal nature worshippers. And I can’t think of one who could pull that “Dogs are objects in our society” PETA rhetoric with a straight face.
What does this mean? If you can’t challenge what I put, and resort to ad hominim, this is just textbook anti peta parroting whatever supports your narrative…
Oh awesome me too! How long have you been vegan? :)
Yeah I’ll be honest, i thought exactly the same as you about PETA before going vegan. But if you’re vegan, you’re intent on reducing the suffering of animals right? So it’s not too much of a leap to imagine a world where the people with the most money and the most to lose have orchestrated an incredibly effective smear campaign.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you’re here in good faith. As a fellow vegan, you must understand the commodification of sentient beings is absolutely unnecessary in 2023
Never. I eat the deer that has to die due to overpopulation. Flip-side, I’d say anyone who lets that meat rot is the one that isn’t an animal lover (and that includes vegans).
This whole “you can’t be an animal lover if you’re not a vegan” tripe is bullshit. But worse than being bullshit, you automatically lose whoever you were talking to from ever taking your side seriously even if you actually have good points.
I am not an anti-natalist. I am not willing to euthanize animals for some great aggregate goal. As an animal lover, both of those end goals of PETA disgust me. And I’m far from alone. The **only ** way to reduce animal suffering is to wipe them all out and re-engineer their natural habitats. I oppose that. I’m ok with a world where animals (including humans) suffer, but that we work to better things. We had a decent balance once, then it went to shit. I’m not about making it go MORE to shit.
You seem to be ignoring, or forgetting, my points. Every complaint I have presented is a first-party complaint against PETA by people who are not part of a smear campaign. So if you’re asking if I’m willing to believe the small animal shelter run by a good friend of mine is part of an “incredibly effective smear campaign”, I’m going to laugh you out the door.
That kind of nonsense reminds me of the people who used to cry about “the gay agenda”. I’m sorry.
I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt of the same, but your last post has made it difficult. Requiring me to be a vegan to be an animal lover (when I mentioned being around nature-worshippers, it should have been obvious). Implying, perhaps unintentionally, that people I know are part of some giant smear campaign. No.
What does anything have to do with mass-euthanasia? Are you actually “merciful depopulation”? That is very different from hunters culling overpopulated areas.
Not worth my time.
Please try and lead a better life.