• Gamey@feddit.de
        4·
        1 年前

        If I am not wrong decentrlization is a very old promise for that platform and not actually implemented in any way…

        • millions @lemmy.oneEnglish
          3·
          1 年前

          I think they posted recently they were looking to make it decentralized in early 2024

          • Gamey@feddit.de
            1·
            1 年前

            If they invent their own protocol it’s probably going to take another year or two before wee see a usable implementation tho, the core components of Bluesky are closed source, well and Threads should be a activity pub app too but I have my doubts if they will ever implement it tbh!

    • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
      1530·
      1 年前

      It’s for libs who want things to be marginally better temporarily rather than significantly better forever.

        • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          124·
          1 年前

          The assumption is Jack will make bluesky just as bad as Twitter was before elon. But then jack and liberals didn’t see anything wrong with that twitter. So yeah, marginally better.

          • nuzzlerat@lemmy.world
            22·
            1 年前

            ok i see and yeah i agree to an extent. i’m assuming you don’t like the current state of twitter either? your initial comment was pretty ambiguous. unfortunately, i don’t think you can have something similar and as popular as twitter without it turning into a mess. so yeah, bluesky will likely just be twitter again but that’s what people seem to want. attempts to do something different just don’t have any mainstream appeal.

            • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              3·
              1 年前

              Yes I hate current twitter as well, but I think I wrote off the website back in like 2018.

              I dunno, its just… People who use it are stakeholders in it, too. They’re invested in having a platform that can pay the bills. Nobody seems to like youtube, but nobody is really… Quitting it, either.

        • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
          22·
          1 年前

          It’s got a lot of the same problems that twitter had before the Elon takeover. If it just ended there it would at least be a quick replacement but they had to throw in a FOMO invite system and to make matters even worse the CEO of bluesky has been sucking Elon’s toes on all his shitty decisions leading anyone with any level of analysis to see that it’s not going to be long before bluesky ends up just as bad as twitter is today.

  • lorty@lemmy.ml
    552·
    1 年前

    Why not just use mastodon? Why is this better in any way? Twitter was already going to shit before Elon accelerated it.

    • rustydrd@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      15·
      1 年前

      At least in my own bubble, many did switch to Mastodon. Those that didn’t are looking at other options, because the whole federation idea and things like home instances didn’t appeal to them or were simply too complicated (they want a service that at least hides its decentralized nature).

        • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 年前

          There are a ton of reasons not to like it and they’re evident on Lemmy pretty notably, let alone other platforms. The entire idea of being able to defederate and federate at will is a big feature of these platforms but they’re also the part that people like the least. If the server you’re on defederates from another server you like, you have no choice but to start all the way from the beginning if you need to choose another instance to join. At the same time, each instance gets its own version of every single community. If you join an instance that federates with lots of other instances, you’re very likely to see the exact same posts multiple times since each community is completely unique and separate (again, a feature for some, a boon for others).

          Federation is great for a few reasons and really horrible for others. It’s not the single answer that works for everyone.

          • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
            7·
            1 年前

            One thing genuinely confusing is having people reply to a comment I made from a federated instance, and when I try to reply to their comment, I get taken to the reply in the context of the lemmy instance they commented in, not the one I commented in. For example, if I’m on Beehaw and someone from lemmy.ca replies to my comment, and I want to respond to them, what I’ll typically do is click on the button below the comment that shows the context of the conversation, because I comment a lot and don’t always know what comment I made that someone is replying to. When I do that, it takes me to lemmy.ca, which I can’t reply from, because I’m not on lemmy.ca. This is confusing, because this routine thing pulls you into other parts of the fediverse that your reply might exist in, and which other people can see, but you can’t comment on that instance because you don’t have an account there. But if you go back to your own instance and find your comment through your profile, you can navigate to a reply someone from another instance made and reply to them as long as you’re still on your instance. This is both cumbersome and, to a new user, terribly disorienting.

  • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    24·
    1 年前

    There’s an earlier version of this Fediverse Tree diagram where everything is more carefully on branches and the sky is… Blue. Bluesky. Bluesky is very much a response to the Fediverse. As a replacement. As a more popular and more important service.

  • karebu@lemmy.mlEnglish
    23·
    1 年前

    Let’s just put our social media in the hands of the exact same guy who fucked everyone over last time. Because that makes perfect sense.

    • Corgana@startrek.website
      10·
      1 年前

      I always find it a weird take when people treat Twitter before Musk like it was some sort of wonderful place that people enjoyed.

  • _lunar@lemmy.ml
    171·
    1 年前

    What’s with Lemmy users doing free advertising for corporate social media like this? You’re already here, so you should know better, right?

    • rustydrd@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      41·
      1 年前

      I mean, yeah, I’m on Lemmy and lots of other sites in the Fediverse, but why would that make me “know better”? Is my account supposed to give me some profound insight that sets me apart from the plebs on other sites? What I begin to know unfortunately is that the Fediverse and Lemmy in particular would be much more popular if it wasn’t so full of self-absorbed comments like this. The sole point of this post was to share something I found interesting that day, but if the mere mention of services that aren’t Lemmy provokes these kinds of comments, then I fear Lemmy will never make it out of obscurity. JFC

      • _lunar@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 年前

        No, having an account won’t give you insight, but what I’m getting at is that most of us are here to get away from the glaring flaws of corporate social media. Obviously I want as many people as possible to join the Fediverse, and I don’t see how advocating for or at the very least normalizing more the exact kind of corporate-controlled platforms that drove most of us here is going to help that.

        • rustydrd@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          11·
          1 年前

          Personally, when it comes to Lemmy’s user numbers, I’m more concerned about the condescending tone that keeps getting worse and worse on here than I am about people posting memes about the broader social media landscape. But we don’t have to agree on which of these is more or less helpful.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    172·
    1 年前

    I find it funny how the only problem people see with Twitter is that the wrong oligarch owns it. The real issue is with reliance on privately owned social spaces. Corporations shouldn’t be in charge of how people communicate with each other.

  • Gamey@feddit.de
    13·
    1 年前

    Let’s give the Twitter guy another chance, I mean we all loved his platform sooo much before Musk, right? …

    • Skimmer@lemmy.zip
      7·
      1 年前

      Yeah, that’s what bothers me. Feels like people romanticize pre-Musk Twitter, when in reality, its always just been complete garbage. Musk’s Twitter is certainly worse in some ways, though that isn’t saying a lot.

      Overall, Twitter just sucks. Use other platforms where possible.

      • Gamey@feddit.de
        2·
        1 年前

        Yea, I have my issues with Lemmy too ever since the Israel/Palestina conflict got violent again so my by far favorite and most used is Mastodon, to me that feels like a supirior Microblogging site that actually dose things different and doesn’t just try to reimplement Twitter!

  • Izzy@lemmy.ml
    13·
    1 年前

    Having an invite only service seems like a risky move. If you make the sign up process too difficult people will give up and never return.

    • pixelscript@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      1 年前

      At this stage that’s kind of the point. It’s an intentional demand-curbing measure. The number of people trying to switch to BlueSky outstrips hosting infrastructure. They’re scaling up slowly and carefully.

      I presume once it’s out of open beta and they have the infra they need to launch properly, it will stop being invite ony.

      • Izzy@lemmy.ml
        4·
        1 年前

        Understandable, but at that point it may be too late as people will have cemented themselves with some of the competition such as Mastodon or wherever it may be. At least for me I am very unlikely to use BlueSky at this point or in the future because I was unable to go to the site when I had heard of it and sign up.

        • pixelscript@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3·
          1 年前

          I think those of us that treat social media services this way are a minority in the grand picture. If BlueSky continues to be effective, network effect will pull in a steady stream of users, including ones that may have balked before.

          It is poising itself to be a 1:1 drop-in replacement for Twitter. Federated services like Mastodon aren’t that (and aren’t trying to be).

          I wholly believe that the majority of Twitter users have no interest in federated platforms as alternatives. By comparison, platforms like Mastodon feel vaguely like Twitter but more fractured and isolated. Everyone was on Twitter. Comparatively no one is on Mastodon. Discovery is awful and micromanaging instances and subscriptions is tedious busywork. “Why can’t it just be all in one convenient place, like on Twitter? This is so stupid and complicated,” I expect most would complain.

          Federated platforms are loved by us because we value the fine control and we like putting in effort to curate our feeds. The complexity is the appeal. But I think it’s negative appeal to the type of person who has gotten accustomed to an algorithm doing all of that for them, and I think that’s most people. You can use federated platforms out of the box and they’ll “just work” without all the tinkering, but it will be very bland and vapid. It only becomes great when you put in work to make it great for yourself.

          The thing BlueSky seems to be promising is that big, monolithic platform that Twitter was and most people want. And I think they’re the only notable player in that game, so they’ll completely corner that market. As long as they don’t trip over any footguns (and I don’t believe making the beta invite-only is one of them), I believe they’re going to succeed greatly.

    • Holzkohlen@feddit.de
      3·
      1 年前

      But the sign up codes are the only reason people care about it. Yes, people are just THAT shallow.

      • Izzy@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 年前

        So did Gmail, but it was a different time without any good competition.

    • Gamey@feddit.de
      1·
      1 年前

      Centralized serives tend to have server issues once they get more popular so it’s not really a surprise the new Twitter shithole did so too!

  • makeasnek@lemmy.ml
    11·
    1 年前

    use mastadon or nostr, they are actually decentralized. Bluesky is just twitter 2.0 with the same broken incentives and the same broken business model.

    • ghen@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 年前

      Yeah honestly, let’s have competition between Mastodon servers instead. My current favorite is dice.camp for tabletop fans.